BY THE HONORABLE MINISTER LOUIS FARRAKHAN | LAST UPDATED: MAY 1, 2018 – 12:07:28 PM
[Editor’s note: The following article contains excerpts from an interview conducted by Juni Liburd, host of Issues: St. Kitts-Nevis on Freedom FM 106.5, with the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan at the Marriott Hotel in Frigate Bay, St. Kitts & Nevis on April 13, 2018, which was streamed live via FreedomSKN.com and Facebook Live. This is part two of a two part interview.]
Juni Liburd (aka “The Big JL”): There is another aspect that I want to touch on before we wrap up: the question of “the future of marijuana”—which is used by our young people; which is grown by our farmers in the Caribbean, in the Windward Islands, specifically Jamaica is known for the ganga, [and] St. Vincent. But what we have seen recently in Jamaica, St. Vincent, Antigua, is to take away the stigma that has been attached to people who have been arrested for a “spliff,” a “joint,” to remove their record so that they can have access to jobs and that kind of thing. We have now heard that there is a lot of money in “medical marijuana,” if you will. So this is being looked at by our people, some of our people here, our farms in particular, as something that they could get into to bring them some kind of revenue to deal with the balance of payment for the country and so on. How do you look at marijuana, “medical marijuana”? We have seen documentaries on CNN about its use, its value to people suffering from cancer, epilepsy, asthma, and all kinds of things. Should the Caribbean, where we have all these lands now which were previously allocated to sugar and banana and tobacco and so on—do we cultivate these lands, now, and grow marijuana for medical use?
The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan (HMLF): Every nation is looking for a “cash crop.” In America, it’s soybeans, it’s corn that the world needs, so many farmers are growing soybeans and corn, putting it on the international market to bring currency back into the country. I’ll put it like this: I’ll start from God. God has created nothing without a purpose. And since God is ultimately good, and the author of good in everything that He created: The wisdom of a righteous person is to find the good in it, and exploit the good. But anything that will give you good improperly used will become evil. So in the Qur’an there is a scripture that says of God: We seek refuge in Him “from the mischief of created things.” (Yusuf Ali, translation, Chapter, Surah, 113)
Sex has been in existence since God made man—and it didn’t start with the White man, it started from the Black man millions and millions and billions of years ago. And the only reason man is here today is because sex was created by God; and the male-female dynamic has always been our natural attraction to create life for the procreation of our species. So everything in nature involves itself in sex; but the same thing that we do to procreate life is now being used to destroy life. So, who is behind that? So now, “I am a man: I’m in love with another man”? [Speaking in West Indian dialect] “Oh God, whuh happen dere?” (Smile.)
Listen, God never made man to lay with man, or woman to lay with woman; this is something that has come in the last 6,000 years—and the root of it was seen in Sodom and Gomorrah. And God destroyed Sodom, but He said: “As it was in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man.” (Book of Luke 17:26-30) So, now look at the coca leaf: That’s not a bad thing. Mother Tynnetta Muhammad, one of the Wives of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, was down in South America. I think it was in Peru, and she was going up, traveling up a mountain. As you get high up in the mountain, you lose oxygen, so they took the coca leaf and they made a tea, and everyone going up that mountain had to drink the tea so that they could survive the pressure of the heights. That’s the good of coca leaf. … Somebody else sees it [and, seeking to misuse it, thinks] “Mmm-hmm!” and now the boy is high from cocaine. The enemy found a way to weaponize cocaine, and made it into crack, and so you have this epidemic of crack cocaine.
I am saying marijuana has a good thing in it. Grapes have energy—but you can ferment it; next thing you know, you’re drunk. So Jesus turned water into wine … . Jesus was not a drunkard. He wasn’t trying to make us drunkards. The “wine” here is turning something that has a positive thing, and then overdoing it, it becomes evil. So marijuana has good in it; “medical marijuana” has been proved to be a very good help in natural use of that to heal many, many things, but the CIA has weaponized marijuana. So now you have scientists dealing with the marijuana, and then flooding our community with marijuana; then we are smoking and using it in a way that makes us very, very ill, and prone to abnormal behavior. So, we have to get control of it.
I wouldn’t say it’s wrong, in St. Kitts, to plant some marijuana for medical purposes; that’s fine. But don’t, because it’s a “cash crop,” take all the sugar cane land and make it marijuana land, because you can’t eat marijuana—you’ve got to have food. And what’s wrong in the Caribbean: Barbados used to feed itself. Barbados can’t do it now, because they have turned the arable land into golf courses, and all these kinds of things—and we don’t play golf, we play cricket. But White folk come down and play golf, and others play golf. But where is the food? Oh, I see: The food is not coming from the earth that’s under our foot, we are buying it from America. We are buying it from Australia. God help us if we don’t help ourselves. So, there’s nothing wrong with medical marijuana, it just has to be used for medical purposes.
Junie Liburd: A couple of Caribbean countries are decriminalizing marijuana as we speak, putting the necessary legislation in place to deal with that; so that as I said, persons who have records would be expunged, and people will be able to go on and live productive lives instead of having a past filled with marijuana arrests for a spliff and a joint, and so on. And some islands, they’re even allowing people to have a certain amount, legally; beyond that, you could get arrested. I don’t know how many grams they are allowing, but that’s the law now that I understand is in Antigua; and I think St. Vincent, [Prime Minister] Ralph Gonzales is doing something down there. Jamaica is growing medical marijuana. The University of the West Indies is also doing that, and are looking at ways and means to get resources for Jamaicans from medical marijuana. I want to move on because we are being pressed for time, and ask you about your reflections of your tenure as the Nation of Islam leader. You’ve been there for how long now, as the leader?
HMLF: Oh God, about … well, 40 years.
Junie Liburd: Forty years?
Junie Liburd: I will ask you: If there is some kind of “succession” planned …
HMLF: Well, I have to be very, very honest. They used to ask Elijah Muhammad that question, and he said he would not have a “successor,” but after him would be helpers who believed in what he taught, and would carry that Teaching into practice. There is only one Elijah Muhammad, but when I saw The Nation going in a different direction from his Teaching, I decided to rebuild his work. And I could not rebuild his work unless I brought back the majesty of his Teaching, and tried to follow it as closely as I could. I have now scores of young people who are doing the same, because life ain’t promised—and the Nation should never die because I die. So reproducing people, men and women that have that mind and that spirit to keep the work of Elijah Muhammad going on, that is how he continues.
He was the leader; I have not had an independent thought in 40 years—that man has seeded my mind with so much wisdom, so help me God, Junie, that circumstances come up and something comes up that he already taught me. He prepared me to run this race for 40 years. I have done what I was supposed to do up to this point. And now, there is a cadre of young men and women: If they follow my example, the Nation will never fall. But to say that I am as wise as my teacher? I don’t think so. That man has given us a foundation, that those of us who study him will take this Nation from the level that I brought it back to by God’s grace, to a higher level; and that’s economics, industry … . All that goes for a nation, we have to get involved.
Junie Liburd: Minister, before we wrap up, I would like to ask you about this revolution in this package here called Let’s Change The World, which is a tribute to your musical skills and prowess. Tell us a little bit about this before we wrap up this afternoon.
HMLF: Listen, Juni, this a big story. But, you know, I was in show business. And when I met Elijah Muhammad and became a Muslim, I took the Teachings of Elijah Muhammad and I produced a play that played in Carnegie Hall, Town Hall, [and] Symphony Hall in Boston, and I wrote music with lyrics that raised the consciousness of the people. At a certain point the Honorable Elijah Muhammad saw me perform, and he invited me to his home the next day, and he asked me if I would give it up totally, and concentrate on the Word. He said, “Your music is great, but the spiritual aspect of your life is greater than your music.” And Junie, I’ll just say it like this: When a man sings a song as I sung—and my singing voice is on this, my Calypso is on this, my jazz and classical violin is on this. But when you finish singing, and you finish playing, this is what you get [“applause”]. The people go out, the song is ended—and even the melody doesn’t linger on. But when you can teach a people, and bring them from one level to another: That is not “applause” that you see, you see the awakening of your people.
So I gave it all up to awaken our people; and, I am known all over the world for the awakening message of Elijah Muhammad. But one day I brought my violin to Chicago, and after dinner he asked me: “Play something for me.” And I played the violin; and after I finished, he looked at me and said: “Boy, you really can play that thing.” A few weeks later, he sent for me to bring my violin again. And after dinner, his Wife played the piano, his children did a little music, and then he asked me to play—but after I finished, I saw a frown on his face. And when I finished, he said: “Uh, isn’t that the same song you played for me the last time you were here?” I said, “Yes Sir.” Then he said: “Well, don’t you know anything new?” In a subtle way, he was putting me back on my music. And I have to say: This is a work of 14 years. You have never heard Louis Farrakhan playing with the Symphony Orchestra.
Juni Liburd: No, I haven’t.
HMLF: I have performed with the Chicago Symphony, I have performed with the Los Angeles Symphony—two great concertos [Mendelssohn and Beethoven]. They are not in here, but I will send that to you. The Minister playing classical music has expanded me and helped me to see the universality in The Word that he gave me. When you met me first you could say “Farrakhan is a Black nationalist,” because all my talk is “The Black man! The Black man!” because I love my people. But one day I was with my Teacher, “They call me a Black nationalist,” he said, “But ‘Black’ is not national, brother, ‘Black’ is universal, because everything started in darkness, then comes out into the light.” So like Jesus, he started very nationalistically—only to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel; but after that he said, “Go ye into all the world and bring this Gospel.”
Well, there is a universal message in The Message to The Black Man, because he is the father and the mother of every race that is on this Earth. And the reason the races are in the condition that they are in is because the father of the races has been asleep. It’s our “wake up time,” now; and when we wake up, our job is to pull the whole house back in order—Black, Brown, Red, Yellow. And if there is any White people who can live under Black rule, you’re going to soon see it. So in this, you have Farrakhan with Stevie Wonder, Farrakhan with Chaka Khan, Farrakhan with Rick Ross, Snoop Dogg, [Damien Marley and Stephen Marley]—oh, I’ve got, by the grace of God, five Grammy-winning artists playing with me. Plus, musicians that are some of the finest in the world, composers … . This is such an unusual album: it has classical, it has gospel, it has jazz, it has folk, it has light opera, it has calypso, reggae, hip hop, be-bop. …
Junie Liburd: Complete works!
HMLF: It’s Farrakhan in all the genres of music, putting it altogether in this beautiful box set. And Snoop Dogg, may God bless that brother: I sent for him one day, in California, and I said: “Snoop, would you help me?” I said, “The youth are being misused. I would like to wake the youth up, and instead of having them being used by crooked elites for the robbery of the natural resources of other nations, let’s make the youth of the world agents of change.” He went away and came back with a song, “Let’s Change The World.”
Junie Liburd: Fantastic.
HMLF: And so that’s the theme of this album. And Juni, I guess what I have to do: I love you so much, and your blessed mother [Lady Anne Liburd, legendary Kittitian women’s rights activist and community organizer]—I cannot even explain in words what your mother means to me. I don’t say “meant”; because, I came by the house, and she was sitting on the porch … . And your mother is a truth-teller, a bold Black woman: She calls it just like she saw it. And she is your foundation, and she is encouragement of me in my foundation. So in honor of your blessed mother, and in honor of you and Freedom, your radio station, may I offer this token of my love for you? And I want you to just take your time … May I open it a minute?
Junie Liburd: Sure. Sure.
HMLF: To all of the audience, this is a book of 100 pages: You’ll see the picture of the Two Men that are the inspiration behind me [pointing to front cover pictures of Master Fard Muhammad and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad]. And, of course, this [on the back cover] is The Minister when I was 60 years old after I performed, with the Chicago Symphony, The Mendelssohn Violin Concerto. I’m going to send it, both of these concertos, down to you. But, I would love for you to read the comments, and then take your time and listen. And Juni, I’m going to call you back, and you tell me what you think.
Juni Liburd: For more info on The Minister’s Music, you can go to LCTWmusic.com; also visit NOI.org for more on this fantastic work of art here, Let’s Change The World. Minister, I give you the assurance that I am going to read; and, I thank you so much for this on behalf of my mom, and Freedom FM. I thank you so much, and I will treasure it always. Thank you again.
HMLF: And may God continue to bless you, my dear brother, and all those who you inspire all over the Caribbean and other parts of the world. Thank you, Juni.
Juni Liburd: Thank you. All right, and on that note, I would like to end this edition of Issues: St. Kitts and Nevis, where we had as our guest the esteemed Minister Louis Farrakhan from the Nation of Islam. Minister, may you continue to thrive, may your health continue to be improved; and the next time will be better and greater. God bless you! I love you!
HMLF: I love you, too.